海天 发表于 2016-10-5 08:47
记得她头四年是国家安全事务助理，号称助理但虽然实际影响力不小。
鲍威尔是国务卿，但在强势国安助理面 ...
基辛格是有洛克菲勒这个大靠山才能那么强势，赖斯也这么牛叉，倒是好奇她背后的山头了。
cadgn 发表于 2016-10-5 10:53
这个国务卿，应该是西太自己要下的吧？
要不她不可能选总统的，今年。
晨老大说说时四年一届是陈规。。
所以不知为什么坊间还有她是为竞选才下来的说法。不懂。。
对女克，不是同性相斥，民主党内我还是很倾向她的，对照奥八和Sanders. 奥八当年可以算是海天提到的政治素人。。今年这位，基本是超理想主义者。。
我很佩服和欣赏女克的口才，不是学法的人就口才好，他们两夫妇的确辩才超强。
民主党，比较更腐败，更假。。
Dracula 发表于 2016-10-5 06:18
这个纯粹是猜测，我没看到过什么确实的证据。就是Trump一反几十年的传统，坚持不公布自己的税表，肯定里 ...
他的贷款，又不是在任上搞的，
如果普京不在美国制裁的单子上，只要这笔交易是arm length transaction.就既不违法也无可厚非。如果他入主白宫，有检察机构认为这样他有conflict of interest,他只要按合同结束这笔交易就是了，谈不上受贿。
pea 发表于 2016-10-5 18:49
鼓励个人多交税，也是政治正确。
就是在国内，合法避税也是偷偷的干，站在政府的立场，是不可能鼓励的， ...
你说的很到位。
这也是我不支持民主党的一个重要原因，他们推崇的提倡的的准则，逻辑和操作，和国内惊人的相似。
如若 发表于 2016-10-5 22:12
他的贷款，又不是在任上搞的，
如果普京不在美国制裁的单子上，只要这笔交易是arm length transaction. ...
这个只是流言，不一定是真的，我还没看到过有什么确实的证据，就是Trump对普京那么的赞美让人觉得有点可疑。你现在还没有必要在这一点上为他辩护。如果是真的话，就凭这一点Trump肯定会选不上，他的好多铁杆支持者都会弃他而去，就是为他辩护也没有用了。
Trump已经宣布他如果当选的话，不会按惯例把他的财富放到一个blind trust里，而是交给他的子女管理，因此你说的我估计他很可能不会干。而且如果这个流言是真的话，Trump是因为在华尔街贷不到款才和俄罗斯打上的交道，把这些交易单方面终止首先可能违反合同，就是能做到，Trump公司需要的资金上哪找啊？不是那么容易的事。
Dracula 发表于 2016-10-5 23:00
这个只是流言，不一定是真的，我还没看到过有什么确实的证据，就是Trump对普京那么的赞美让人觉得有点可 ...
不会按惯例把他的财富放到一个blind trust里，而是交给他的子女管理
难道这个不是Conflict of Interests？相信这样不会有利益输送岂不跟相信国内太子党白手起家一样
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Dracula 发表于 2016-10-5 23:00
这个只是流言，不一定是真的，我还没看到过有什么确实的证据，就是Trump对普京那么的赞美让人觉得有点可 ...
还是克林顿一家聪明，成立一个基金会包打天下，卢布RMB来者不拒
Donations to the Clinton Foundation, and a Russian Uranium Takeover
Uranium investors’ efforts to buy mining assets in Kazakhstan and the United States led to a takeover bid by a Russian state-owned energy company. The investors gave millions to the Clinton Foundation over the same period, while Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s office was involved with approving the Russian bid.
Dracula 发表于 2016-10-5 23:00
这个只是流言，不一定是真的，我还没看到过有什么确实的证据，就是Trump对普京那么的赞美让人觉得有点可 ...
收钱点赞，主流媒体绝对是业界良心啊{:187:}
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/trump-vs-hillary-campaign-ad-spending.jpg
怎这样呢 发表于 2016-10-5 23:50
收钱点赞，主流媒体绝对是业界良心啊
这个钱主要是花在地方电视台，再就是有线电视台上，和纽约时报，华盛顿邮报等报纸没有关系，和有线新闻台的关系也不大。而且像Jeb Bush在初选也筹了上亿美元，基本上花在电视广告上，我也没看到媒体的报道上怎么偏向于他。
Trump这几个月也筹了不少钱，却不肯花，我觉得他是在算生意帐。从他的campaign filing里我们知道，他竞选的一大部分钱是花在Trump自己的生意像他的酒店上，这次大选不论结果如何，他都会赚上一笔。而且他在初选的时候花了一部分自己的钱，估计这次大选结束后他会用general election fund的钱来弥补，因此不舍得用来做广告。
Dracula 发表于 2016-10-6 00:06
这个钱主要是花在地方电视台，再就是有线电视台上，和纽约时报，华盛顿邮报等报纸没有关系，和有线新闻台 ...
有几个地方台不是四大网络的affiliation？
Dracula 发表于 2016-10-6 00:06
这个钱主要是花在地方电视台，再就是有线电视台上，和纽约时报，华盛顿邮报等报纸没有关系，和有线新闻台 ...
所以媒体袒护克林顿是因为爱，而Trump拿了钱说普金是俄国人民的好总统？
怎这样呢 发表于 2016-10-6 00:20
所以媒体袒护克林顿是因为爱，而Trump拿了钱说普金是俄国人民的好总统？
Fox News支持共和党，MSNBC支持民主党，多少年了本来就是这样，不是这一次拿了钱才形成的。那些affiliate同几大电视台是合作关系，并不归几大电视台所有，它们赚的钱几大电视台分不到多少。而且报纸和电视台的关系也不大。就是有关系的，也是各自有独立的editorial stand。像Fox News和Wall Street Journal都归Murdoch控制，这次Fox News全力支持Trump，华尔街时报则对他很冷淡，批评的很厉害。
在大媒体公司工作的记者编辑，都可以算是精英阶层，他们的价值观同Trump本来就是很排斥，对Trump特别反感并不奇怪，克林顿的广告花费不是主要原因。
Dracula 发表于 2016-10-6 00:36
Fox News支持共和党，MSNBC支持民主党，多少年了本来就是这样，不是这一次拿了钱才形成的。那些affiliate ...
说到精英，iq2最近的debate做的很好
BLAME THE ELITES FOR THE TRUMP PHENOMENON
Dracula 发表于 2016-10-6 00:36
Fox News支持共和党，MSNBC支持民主党，多少年了本来就是这样，不是这一次拿了钱才形成的。那些affiliate ...
所以你就能据一句话此推断Trump拿了普金的钱？
Dracula 发表于 2016-10-6 00:36
Fox News支持共和党，MSNBC支持民主党，多少年了本来就是这样，不是这一次拿了钱才形成的。那些affiliate ...
估计主要是由于Trump反WS，所以WSJ基本的调调是中间偏反。 就算是税务的那篇文章，我觉得也不能说是怎么挺了Trump。 只是说这是合理避税而已~
如若 发表于 2016-10-5 08:05
晨老大说说时四年一届是陈规。。
所以不知为什么坊间还有她是为竞选才下来的说法。不懂。。
希拉里从来不缺口才，她缺的是真诚。
A ‘Chinese’ View of the Election
http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/10/trump-time-capsule-127-a-chinese-view-of-election/503009/
Whatever happens to him at the polls 34 days from now, Donald Trump has already deeply changed public discourse in America. It’s not just what he says; it’s what a year’s worth of Trump’s performance has legitimized, encouraged, and inured us to. For example: in the pre-Trump era, I don’t recall being at big public events where mainly-male, mainly-white crowds would chant things like “String her up!” or “Trump that bitch!” But that was the background music at this year’s Republican convention in Cleveland.
This is the context for an astonishing segment from a Bill O’Reilly episode this week.
It is fair to treat Fox News as an extension of the Republican Party and the Trump campaign. It is essentially the only news outlet where Donald Trump will appear any more. Sean Hannity essentially functions as an adjunct campaign strategist, even appearing in a Trump ad; and when called on it has said “I am not a journalist.” Roger Ailes is of course the human glue connecting Trump world, the formal GOP, and the news organization he founded and ran until his recent ouster amid sexual-harassment complaints.
Thus it is also fair to think that the “Watters’ World” segment on Fox is a reflection of attitudes in greater Fox-Trump land, and again of the kinds of public discussion Trump has legitimized. Take a look before I say any more about it. It genuinely is worth watching all the way through:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJmnLzw8NA4
The “comic” premise of the piece is essentially: China, so tricky!! Let’s go see some people with Asian faces and ask them why China so tricky?, and what they (as obvious outsiders to the “real” America) make of this confusing political spectacle, while meanwhile they are eating their perplexing food and cooking up their secret potions.
There are a million things to dislike about this approach, which you can figure out for yourself. The meanest part of the segment is around time 1:00, when Watters mocks two older immigrant-looking people for not answering his questions, when they obviously don’t speak English at all. But before and after that he gets into almost every devious-Oriental stereotype you’ve ever encountered. The only big one left out is the Yellow Peril standby of Asian hordes lusting for white women. It does, though, get into the opposite stereotype—of the exotic, giggly, and “me love you long time” young Asian beauty. See Vox for more.
***
Is this so bad? Can’t I take a joke? Wow, isn’t political correctness run amok, if we can’t even do a light skit?
I really do think this is bad, in that it reprocesses several centuries’ worth of anti-Asian stereotypes for airing not in 1937 but in 2016. That may just be because I’ve spent so much of my life living in various parts of Asia and trying to understand their workings as an outsider. But I think you only have to imagine a similar “light” segment being done about blacks in South Side Chicago, or Jews in Brooklyn, to realize how gross this is, and that segments about most other minorities would never get on the air even at Fox. (“We’re here in Brooklyn, and tell me, what’s the deal with your funny hats and beards? And where do you keep all your money?”)
Assuming for now that Trump does not actually become president—even though the whole Republican establishment is still saying, He’s fine!—we won’t know for quite a while whether the mark he’s left on our culture is something transient, from which we’ll recover, or a turning point in a much nastier direction. Either way, this segment on a “news” network is a benchmark of where things stand as of October, 2016.
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Dracula 发表于 2016-10-6 06:00
A ‘Chinese’ View of the Election
http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/10/trump-time-capsule-127- ...
I think this said it all
But I think you only have to imagine a similar “light” segment being done about blacks in South Side Chicago, or Jews in Brooklyn, to realize how gross this is, and that segments about most other minorities would never get on the air even at Fox. (“We’re here in Brooklyn, and tell me, what’s the deal with your funny hats and beards? And where do you keep all your money?”)
And we ARE at a cross road.
Dracula 发表于 2016-10-5 17:00
A ‘Chinese’ View of the Election
http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/10/trump-time-capsule-127- ...
昨天的副总体辩论，Pence beats Kaine hands down, 为川普扳回一城
如若 发表于 2016-10-5 22:05
晨老大说说时四年一届是陈规。。
所以不知为什么坊间还有她是为竞选才下来的说法。不懂。。
国务卿工作很忙的，满天飞。你看今年竞选，从初选开始，川总全职搞了一年吧？西太还在任上，是不可能的。
这个是操作层面。
政治层面，先远离一些是非，万一任上有突发事件，处理不好的话，是政治包袱，也是一种考量。