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    慵懒
    2020-7-26 05:11
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    [LV.10]大乘

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    发表于 2014-2-7 23:35:53 | 只看该作者
    洗心 发表于 2014-2-7 04:28
    美国操纵乌克兰电话录音曝光, 有录音有真相

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-06/fuck-eu-us-state ...

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/20 ... nce-in-ukraine.html

    U.S. Profanity and Impotence in Ukraine

    Cold War spy craft appears to be repeating itself as farce in Ukraine.

    An audio recording with Russian subtitles -- posted on YouTube and advertised by Russian officials on Twitter -- has severely embarrassed two U.S. diplomats, purportedly taped as they tried to resolve the political crisis in Ukraine. Russia seems to believe this proves dastardly American interference in the affairs of a sovereign country. Instead, it exposes the minimal influence that the U.S. has on events in Eastern Europe's biggest nation.

    In the clip, voices resembling those of U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, are heard discussing a proposal by President Viktor Yanukovych to defuse protests against him by offering the posts of prime minister and deputy prime minister to two parliamentary opposition leaders, Arseni Yatsenyuk and Vitali Klitschko, respectively.

    The man and woman holding the recorded conversation – let's call them Nuland and Pyatt, since the U.S. has not denied the clip's authenticity – use familiar nicknames for the opposition figures: Yatsenyuk is "Yats" and Klitschko is "Klitsch." Pyatt appears to be briefing Nuland for a phone conversation with Klitschko, the purpose of which is to dissuade him from joining the government. Yatsenyuk, for his part, is encouraged to accept, because the former central banker has "the economic experience, the governing experience." Nuland then switches to the subject of international mediation, breaking the news that a U.N. envoy, Dutch diplomat Robert Serry, was soon to visit Kiev. "So that would be great, I think, to glue this thing and have the U.N. help glue it, and, you know, f--ck the EU," she says.

    "Exactly," Pyatt agrees. He then says the U.S. diplomats should work on "some kind of outreach to Yanukovych."

    A YouTube user calling himself Lev Nikolayevich Myshkin, after the main character in Fyodor Dostoyevsky's The Idiot, posted the video on Feb. 5. It got no attention, however, until Dmitry Loskutov tweeted the link at 11:35 a.m. on Feb. 6. This appears to be the oldest mention of the video on Twitter. Loskutov is an aide to Deputy Prime Minister Dmitri Rogozin, Russia's former envoy to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, who is now in charge of the Russian defense industry. Rogozin weighed in with a gleeful tweet, commenting: "My former colleague from my time in Brussels, V. Nuland, has always had an active civic stand, especially on the EU."

    The Russian propaganda take on the video can be gleaned from the coverage it received on state-owned Russia Today channel. "In the conversation, it sounds like the two officials are playing a game of chess, strategizing on how to put together the government of another country," commented the channel's Marina Portnaya.

    The way things turned out in Kiev suggests that is wrong, even laughable. Both Yatsenyuk and Klitschko declined Yanukovych's offer, under pressure from protesters insisting that heir months-long vigil on the streets of Kiev was not about securing ministerial posts for a few opposition legislators. A stalemate ensued with Yanukovych dismissing Mykola Azarov's government and appointing Serhiy Arbuzov, a close friend of his older son, Alexander Yanukovych, as acting prime minister. The parties are now bogged down in useless talks as protesters lick their wounds and prepare to repel more attacks by riot police. International mediation by any organization, be it the U.N. or the EU, has not led to any tangible results.

    That politicians in most countries are happy to talk to top U.S. diplomats such as Nuland and Pyatt should surprise no one. Whether those politicians listen to any advice given is another matter altogether. The tapped conversation, if genuine, also reveals that the U.S. diplomats only had ready access to the more easily available parties in Ukraine's crisis -- pretty much anyone who wants to talk to the opposition leaders, from rank-and-file demonstrators to journalists, can. Nuland and Pyatt, however, did not appear to have an open channel to Yanukovych.

    If anything, the recording proves that no outside force controls what is happening in Ukraine. Nor does any one insider or group. The interests of Yanukovych, clans within his Party of Regions, the various opposition leaders and street protest factions diverge so widely that bringing them together would be a mammoth task even for someone with supreme diplomatic skills. Judging by Nuland's profane outburst against the EU on a telephone connection she must have known was vulnerable to tapping, she does not have them.

    The U.S. response has concentrated on the apparent Russian origin of the clip. State Department spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki called it "a new low in Russian tradecraft." Rogozin had fun with that in a sarcastic tweet: "Well, naturally it's all the Russian's fault for being the first to publish the YouTube link on Twitter." Instead of blaming Russian spies, whose presence in Ukraine also should surprise no one, the U.S. should apologize for Nuland's outburst against equally impotent European allies, and point out that the recording confirms the innocuous, if ineffective, nature of U.S. involvement in Kiev.

    (Leonid Bershidsky writes on Russia, Europe and technology for Bloomberg View. Follow him on Twitter.)

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    奋斗
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    [LV.10]大乘

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    发表于 2014-2-8 00:59:47 | 只看该作者
    Dracula 发表于 2014-2-7 23:35
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-07/u-s-profanity-and-impotence-in-ukraine.html

    U.S. Profani ...

    这地洗的。颇有小骂大帮忙的精髓啊。
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    [LV.10]大乘

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    发表于 2014-3-5 07:24:27 | 只看该作者
    这个作者现在有更新的乌克兰新闻吗?
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    开心
    2020-1-2 23:51
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    [LV.1]炼气

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    发表于 2014-4-15 18:58:51 | 只看该作者
    糊里糊涂 发表于 2014-2-5 01:36
    有啥不理解的,就是底蕴有问题。

    乌克兰,包括俄罗斯这些个毛子兄弟,历史上受自然环境及蒙古突厥等游牧 ...


    挺有道理的。按照这个理论考察东南亚国家,菲律宾马来西亚印尼等几个国家都比天朝条件好得多,亚洲四小龙四小虎什么的早就起来,结果经历97年危机以后一蹶不振,只剩一个新加坡还保持经济增长。反而TG吭哧吭哧地爬了上来,一副碾压东南亚的架势。看来经济发展跟文化底蕴确实是正相关的。

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    [LV.1]炼气

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    发表于 2014-4-15 19:00:31 | 只看该作者
    草蜢 发表于 2014-2-5 03:37
    中东地区产生了全世界最早的农民,看看两河流域的伊拉克,还不是那鸟样。埃及农民的历史只比中东晚一点 ...


    那些早期农民给游牧民族杀光了啊。现在那些地方的都是游牧民族那帮人的后裔。

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    66#
    发表于 2014-4-16 01:54:02 | 只看该作者
    老兵帅客 发表于 2014-2-7 07:43
    美国人一向如此,当年前朝末年,李宗仁敢于出来竞选副总统和后来桂系逼宫,后面就是美国大使司徒雷登在折 ...

    美国对外政策影响深远,但是很多时候甚至不需要通过总统,当地大使甚至驻军司令就能决定了,这是严重的责权利不相符,这么多年了也不知道改一下,卷入那么多无谓的外战实在不冤。

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    67#
    发表于 2014-4-16 01:58:26 | 只看该作者
    五月 发表于 2014-4-15 19:00
    那些早期农民给游牧民族杀光了啊。现在那些地方的都是游牧民族那帮人的后裔。

    ...

    连亚述人都还在……
    另外阿拉伯扩张以后因为初期伊斯兰教规定人的权利看他属于哪个部族,被征服的原本不属于阿拉伯人的民族于是纷纷托庇于征服者的部族,类似中国古代所谓投献,这是阿拉伯人迅速膨胀的主要原因,跟铁木真之后草原上都是蒙古人,奥斯曼之后从中亚到近东都是突厥人是一样的。

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    68#
    发表于 2014-4-16 03:05:40 | 只看该作者
    punishment 发表于 2014-4-16 01:58
    连亚述人都还在……
    另外阿拉伯扩张以后因为初期伊斯兰教规定人的权利看他属于哪个部族,被征服的原本不 ...

    5年前我在好莱坞的一个拉丁俱乐部碰到一个亚速妹纸。她很吃惊我知道亚述人(Assyrian)和叙利亚人(Sryian)的区别,而且还知道亚述人大多是基督教徒。谁说历史知识是没用的。

    点评

    到底啪没有?  发表于 2014-4-17 16:55
    然后你就顺理成章地啪了人家?  发表于 2014-4-16 09:56

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    69#
    发表于 2014-4-16 04:57:17 | 只看该作者
    草蜢 发表于 2014-4-16 03:05
    5年前我在好莱坞的一个拉丁俱乐部碰到一个亚速妹纸。她很吃惊我知道亚述人(Assyrian)和叙利亚人(Sryian) ...

    那是您这等卡萨诺瓦
    俺们wsn也就网上锻炼一下想象力

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