绿梧桐 发表于 2016-6-26 21:18
以后在米国有事千万不要打911，叫救护车就好了。
在加拿大叫救护车一样是打911
东湖珞珈 发表于 2016-6-26 22:11
比如说俺们这旮瘩，如果发生啥案子有枪支卷入或者枪击这种严重的问题，如果受害者还有命拨打911，那按照 ...
这个可是够操蛋的，警察到了却不急着救人，那你来干什么！
南京老萝卜 发表于 2016-6-28 00:31
多谢东湖。
有个问题是接着你回答大哈瑞的。假如警察接到报警，7分钟内赶到现场，在警察赶来之前受害者 ...
加拿大这边是有评估过程的，要是过程比较慢或者结果是需要等待观察的话，你还是从如来佛到真主之类的挨个祈祷更现实一些。为啥，因为警察也是人。
枪支一直都是热门问题
tanis 发表于 2016-6-30 17:21
刚刚没注意是方的啊~~ 所以我就感觉这个是国内不太了解情况的人看的嘛~~
先全面，再深入，不然会钻牛角尖
Dracula 发表于 2016-6-28 08:18
这种有道理的围而不打当然是告不了，要是这个市政府还要赔偿的话那警察就没法干了。我以为南京老萝卜是指 ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAfUI_hETy0
因为Robb小学的事情，我在小学家长群里跟禁枪派争论了一番，这个案例是刚刚找出来的，至少在这个案例中，袖手旁观的警察也没事
不需要那么多理由。美国现在无法禁枪，就和美国现在不可能新冠动态清零一样，已经太多了。
莳萝 发表于 2016-6-27 10:09
花了多少钱？
前两天看一条趣闻，一个美国男人因为救人有擦伤，救护车来了他就要了瓶水冲洗伤口，然后收 ...
只要不上救护车，EMS就不能收钱的，上了救护车，基本费就是一千多，大部分保险自付差不多就是一百多。绝大部分的EMS Call基本都拉不到客，所以成本摊到拉到客的那几趟自然高得离谱。
看完这个系列之后终于明白了为什么美国人民需要超级英雄，实在是太需要了！毕竟良民即使有枪也不可能每时每刻带枪，即使带枪也不可能每时每刻保持戒备观察哪个角度可能有疯子在瞄准。
老兵帅客 发表于 2016-6-25 17:24
加拿大没那么恐怖，至少媒体上是这样滴。
警察要能靠得住，{:7_332:}就能上树。
There is no binding case across Canada that positively decides that police are under no legal duty to individual members of the public, but that's the trend.
I'm aware of some past rumblings in lower courts that once implied otherwise: e.g. DeHeus v. Niagara Regional Police Services Board and Traversy v. Smith, but those cases didn't have any legs, and the Court of Appeal for Ontario has basically shut down any momentum they generated there.
Right now, Canadian law recognizes a couple of torts committed by police toward suspects and accused persons but not to individual members of the public. I would think that would open the floodgates to litigation. Using the example of Ontario's Police Services Act, police are under such general duties as preserving the peace, preventing crime, assisting victims of crime, and apprehending criminals, but that doesn't seem to translate into a cause of action brought by individuals against police services for the services' failure to take appropriate steps in a call.
Here's where we're at right now: in one case called Hill v. Hamilton-Wentworth Regional Police Services Board, the Supreme Court of Canada specifically left open the question of whether police owe a duty to victims of crime the same way they owe a duty of care to suspects. in another case called Norris v. Gatien, the Court of Appeal for Ontario decided that police defendants did not owe duties of care individually to victims -- investigation of crime was done in the public interest.
So back to that case you cite. One of the police's main errors was the 911 dispatcher erring in the way information was relayed to responding units, resulting in further horrors being committed against some victims. It does not appear that such victims, were they in Canada, could successfully sue the police
老兵帅客 发表于 2016-6-26 06:42
是啊，就是这么告，还告不赢，我在琢磨着伯爵会怎么解释呢。
纳税人花了那么多的钱养警察，来了坏人却不 ...
发生在我朋友店里， 歹徒把刀架到小女生脖子上，抢钱。顾客急忙跑出去，不远停了辆警车，敲玻璃报警。警察大爷说：我下班了，你打电话报警吧。
还有更离奇的， 骗子成功诈骗店员一次，老板发觉后设计陷阱，抛出大萝卜引诱骗子回来。第二天把骗子拖在店里。保安公司按事前约定通知警局，结果警察40分钟还不到，骗子发觉不对，飞奔而去。1小时后，警察到场，很不满意：这种事银行会赔你的，报什么警。
我和别人说，都说我在编故事。
很好的科普，在国内是真想不到这样的事的，法律、文化的差异太大了，还真有不少傻白甜以为出国了就是天堂，没有自保能力和安全意识出去就是待宰的牛羊