此事必有蹊跷，但最大的苦主目前倒是越南，真是霉到家了。
难道国运起来了？瞌睡又来枕头？？？
花差花差农民 发表于 2014-3-12 17:01 static/image/common/back.gif
此事必有蹊跷，但最大的苦主目前倒是越南，真是霉到家了。
难道国运起来了？瞌睡又来枕头？？？ ...
最大的苦主怎么成了不过是白跑几天的越南啊。一飞机不是中国人也是华人，幸存可能微乎其微这是国运来了的征兆吗。。
中国10个卫星调过去看，一群舰队被派在暹罗湾这个现在看来明显白跑的位置搜索好几天。现在还不能进马六甲一步呢。
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Chinese satellite images may show plane debris
近日，在获悉马航客机失去联系的消息后，国防科工局立即组织中国资源卫星应用中心，利用高分一号卫星对疑似失事海域进行观测。在高分一号卫星3月9日上午11点左右获取的图像中，位于(105.63E，6.7N)为中心方圆20公里的区域，观测到3处疑似漂浮物体，尺寸分别约13米＊18米、14米＊19米、24米＊22米(见图1-3)。
据悉，国防科工局将根据事态发展，组织中国资源卫星应用中心综合利用卫星资源，优化成像区域，分析数据，持续为搜救马航失联客机服务。
这个报告和之前越南油井工人所看见天空中的火光的位置匹配
google map打了个点，稍微估算了一下
红点是大致的卫星拍摄到漂浮物的坐标点，googlemap的红色marker是越南油井的位置，大概画出了角度
groovy26 发表于 2014-3-12 13:54 static/image/common/back.gif
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Chinese satel ...
卫星照片的位置和钻井平台差350公里左右，他email里推测是50-70公里。不知道那地方洋流的方向是怎样的，四天是不是向西南方飘到那个位置
holycow 发表于 2014-3-13 10:03 static/image/common/back.gif
卫星照片的位置和钻井平台差350公里左右，他email里推测是50-70公里。不知道那地方洋流的方向是怎样的， ...
照片是3月9号高分1号拍的
与失去联系时间相隔35h左右
groovy26 发表于 2014-3-12 18:28 static/image/common/back.gif
照片是3月9号高分1号拍的
与失去联系时间相隔35h左右
那样就不太和目击能对上了。假设在卫星照片附近的地点已经开始掉部件，要么飞胡志明市要么回头去哥达巴鲁迫降，不会再往平台方向飞了。
holycow 发表于 2014-3-13 12:23 static/image/common/back.gif
那样就不太和目击能对上了。假设在卫星照片附近的地点已经开始掉部件，要么飞胡志明市要么回头去哥达巴鲁 ...
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#马航飞机失联# 【快讯】- 消息人士：美国调查机构怀疑马航370航班在失联后仍处飞行状态，引擎数据显示马航失联航班总计飞行5个小时。
波音说的吗。。。
bayerno 发表于 2014-3-12 20:39 static/image/common/back.gif
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#马航飞机失联# 【快讯】- 消息人士：美国调查机构怀疑马航370 ...
我也看到快讯了，等详情出街
bayerno 发表于 2014-3-12 20:39 static/image/common/back.gif
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#马航飞机失联# 【快讯】- 消息人士：美国调查机构怀疑马航370 ...
ASIA NEWS
Missing Airplane Flew On for Hours
Engine Data Suggest Malaysia Flight Was Airborne Long After Radar Disappearance, U.S. Investigators Say
By ANDY PASZTOR
Updated March 13, 2014 12:50 a.m. ET
U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky.
Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co. 777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring program.
That raises a host of new questions and possibilities about what happened aboard the widebody jet carrying 239 people, which vanished from civilian air-traffic control radar over the weekend, about one hour into a flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur.
Six days after the mysterious disappearance prompted a massive international air and water search that so far hasn't produced any results, the investigation appears to be broadening in scope.
U.S. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection, according to one person tracking the probe.
The investigation remains fluid, and it isn't clear whether investigators have evidence indicating possible terrorism or espionage. So far, U.S. national security officials have said that nothing specifically points toward terrorism, though they haven't ruled it out.
But the huge uncertainty about where the plane was headed, and why it apparently continued flying so long without working transponders, has raised theories among investigators that the aircraft may have been commandeered for a reason that appears unclear to U.S. authorities. Some of those theories have been laid out to national security officials and senior personnel from various U.S. agencies, according to one person familiar with the matter.
At one briefing, according to this person, officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted "with the intention of using it later for another purpose."
As of Wednesday it remained unclear whether the plane reached an alternate destination or if it ultimately crashed, potentially hundreds of miles from where an international search effort has been focused.
In those scenarios, neither mechanical problems, pilot mistakes nor some other type of catastrophic incident caused the 250-ton plane to mysteriously vanish from radar.
The latest revelations come as local media reported that Malaysian police visited the home of at least one of the two pilots.
Boeing officials and a Malaysia Airlines official declined to comment.
The engines' onboard monitoring system is provided by their manufacturer, Rolls-Royce PLC, and it periodically sends bursts of data about engine health, operations and aircraft movements to facilities on the ground.
Rolls-Royce couldn't immediately be reached for comment.
As part of its maintenance agreements, Malaysia Airlines transmits its engine data live to Rolls-Royce for analysis. The system compiles data from inside the 777's two Trent 800 engines and transmits snapshots of performance, as well as the altitude and speed of the jet.
Those snippets are compiled and transmitted in 30-minute increments, said one person familiar with the system. According to Rolls-Royce's website, the data is processed automatically "so that subtle changes in condition from one flight to another can be detected."
The engine data is being analyzed to help determine the flight path of the plane after the transponders stopped working. The jet was originally headed for China, and its last verified position was half way across the Gulf of Thailand.
A total flight time of five hours after departing Kuala Lumpur means the Boeing 777 could have continued for an additional distance of about 2,200 nautical miles, reaching points as far as the Indian Ocean, the border of Pakistan or even the Arabian Sea, based on the jet's cruising speed.
Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein in Kuala Lumpur briefs media on the search mission on Wednesday. Reuters
Earlier Wednesday, frustrations over the protracted search for the missing plane mounted as both China and Vietnam vented their anger over what they viewed as poor coordination of the effort.
Government conflicts and national arguments over crises are hardly unique to the Flight 370 situation, but some air-safety experts said they couldn't recall another recent instance of governments publicly feuding over search procedures during the early phase of an international investigation.
Authorities radically expanded the size of the search zone Wednesday, which already was proving a challenge to cover effectively, but the mission hadn't turned up much by the end of the fifth day.
WSJ has confirmed that the pilot had the ability to manually turn off the transponder on Flight MH370. A mid-air catastrophe could have destroyed it. Why is the transponder so significant? WSJ's Jason Bellini has #TheShortAnswer.
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The Tricky Science of Radar Tracking
Also on Wednesday, a Chinese government website posted images from Chinese satellites showing what it said were three large objects floating in an 8-square-mile area off the southern tip of Vietnam. The objects were discovered on Sunday , according to the website, which didn't say whether the objects had been recovered or examined.
Ten countries were helping to scour the seas around Malaysia, including China, the U.S. and Vietnam. Taiwanese vessels are expected to be on the scene by Friday, with India and Japan having also agreed to join the search soon.
In all, 56 surface ships were taking part in the search, according to statements issued by the contributing governments, with Malaysia providing 27 of them. In addition, 30 fixed-wing aircraft were also searching, with at least 10 shipboard helicopters available, mostly in the waters between Malaysia and Vietnam.
China's government was especially aggrieved. More than 150 of the 239 people on board are Chinese, and family members in Beijing have at times loudly expressed their frustration over the absence of leads.
More than a dozen Chinese diplomats met with Malaysian authorities in Kuala Lumpur on Wednesday as tension grew over the search.
"At present there's a lot of different information out there. It's very chaotic and very hard to verify," foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said in a regular press briefing. "We've said as long as there is a shred of hope, you can't give up."
The day before, Beijing pointedly pressed Malaysia to accelerate its investigation, which has been hampered by false leads on suspected debris and conflicting reports on radar tracking.
Admiral Le Minh Thanh at a media briefing on Phu Quoc Island, Vietnam. Reuters
Vietnam on Wednesday suspended its search flights after conflicting reports from Malaysia that authorities had tracked the plane to the Strait of Malacca before it disappeared.
Gen. Rodzali Daud, Malaysia's air force chief, denied saying he had told local media that military radar facilities had tracked the plane there, saying they were still examining all possibilities. Vietnam later resumed normal search sweeps.
Malaysian authorities divided the search area into several sectors on either side of the country, as well as areas on land.
The challenge, said Lt. David Levy, a spokesman for the U.S. Navy's Seventh Fleet, isn't so much coordination as the sheer size of the area involved. The search grids are up to 20 miles by 120 miles, and ships and aircraft employ an exhaustive methodical pattern "like mowing your lawn" in their search for the plane, he said.
China and Vietnam venting their frustration with the slow progress of the mission and what they view as poor coordination of the effort to find Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Allison Morrow reports on the News Hub. Photo: Getty Images.
U.S. defense officials sought to play down any suggestion that the Malaysian government was doing a poor job with the search.
"It is not unusual for searches to take a long time, especially when you are working with limited data," one official said.
Aviation experts say the absence of an electronic signal from the plane before it disappeared from radar screens makes it difficult to pin down possible locations. Some radar data suggested the Boeing 777 might have tried to turn back to Kuala Lumpur before contact was lost, a detail that prompted a search for the plane on both sides of the Malaysian peninsula.
A U.S. Navy P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft has been searching the northern Strait of Malacca, west of Malaysia, while destroyers USS Kidd and USS Pinckney have been deploying helicopters in the Gulf of Thailand to the east.
So far the U.S., like other nations taking part in the search, has had no success. Many aviation experts are concluding that searchers might not have been looking in the right places. Even if the plane broke up in midair, it would have left telltale traces of debris in the ocean. The cracks now emerging between some of the participants in the search could make it even more difficult.
You can help search for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, thanks to a website called Tomnod.com. It allows anyone to comb the area where rescue workers are searching using satellite images. The WSJ's Deborah Kan speaks to DigitalGlobe's Luke Barrington.
Diplomatic feuds over air disasters have generally erupted over the conclusions of the investigations, long after the initial search is over.
The results of the 1999 crash of an Egyptair Boeing 767 en route to Egypt from New York, which killed 217 people, spawned a dispute between Washington and Cairo that strained ties for years. The National Transportation Safety Board concluded the plane's co-pilot purposely put the twin-engine jet into a steep dive and then resisted efforts by the captain to recover control before the airliner slammed into the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Nantucket. Egyptian authorities insisted the evidence indicated mechanical failure.
Years earlier, Washington and Paris butted heads over the investigation of an American Eagle commuter turboprop that crashed in 1994 near Roselawn, Ind. The French objected to the NTSB's conclusions that French regulators failed to take actions that could have prevented the accident.
holycow 发表于 2014-3-13 12:23 static/image/common/back.gif
那样就不太和目击能对上了。假设在卫星照片附近的地点已经开始掉部件，要么飞胡志明市要么回头去哥达巴鲁 ...
这个碎片不太可能，太大了。十米见方大概是最大的了，单个部件不会是 24米 x22米，难道是飞机肚子从中间剪开，又摊开来了？
holycow 发表于 2014-3-13 12:41 static/image/common/back.gif
我也看到快讯了，等详情出街
这个。。。怎么消息都是一点一点蹦出来
到现在还完全没找到真诡异了
不过要是三个十几米*十几米的东西。。说不好还真是飞机残骸呢
groovy26 发表于 2014-3-12 20:54 static/image/common/back.gif
这个。。。怎么消息都是一点一点蹦出来
到现在还完全没找到真诡异了
刚贴了WSJ的文章
holycow 发表于 2014-3-13 12:55 static/image/common/back.gif
刚贴了WSJ的文章
又否认了。
马来西亚方面的消息已经没有任何可信度了，几乎每天都自己否定自己一次。
code_abc 发表于 2014-3-13 03:34 static/image/common/back.gif
又否认了。
在华尔街日报和马来西亚之间，我相信WSJ{:217:}
定风波 发表于 2014-3-11 09:51 static/image/common/back.gif
消息太混乱了，简直无法无天，千头万绪。不知道马国的空管和军队领空监视怎么这么差 ...
所以说，国土防空和防空识别区，不是随便划拉一下就有了的。。。大马这水平在东南亚很正常。。。 能用雷达围着自己的国土转上一圈，360度无死角全方位监控周边空域，没几个国家能做得到。。。
国土面积再大上那么一点，连监视自己的领空都会有困难。。。 所以当年鲁斯特机降红场，也没太大难度啦。。。
咱们以前的防空据说也就大马这水平，雷达定时定点地瞄着哪一片空域，还不一定能找得到。。。 现在敢于把识别区划到东海上空，防空雷达上的进步的确不可同日而语。。。
MacArthur 发表于 2014-3-14 06:28 static/image/common/back.gif
所以说，国土防空和防空识别区，不是随便划拉一下就有了的。。。大马这水平在东南亚很正常。。。 能用雷 ...
按路透社报道的航线，这飞机都飞到普吉岛了，泰国人都浑然不觉 {:214:}
holycow 发表于 2014-3-14 09:39 static/image/common/back.gif
按路透社报道的航线，这飞机都飞到普吉岛了，泰国人都浑然不觉
...
每年还煞有介事地美泰合作“金色眼镜蛇”演习，到底是演习还是演戏，大兵们到底是去打枪还是打炮，相当可疑。。。
{:217:}
holycow 发表于 2014-3-14 22:39 static/image/common/back.gif
按路透社报道的航线，这飞机都飞到普吉岛了，泰国人都浑然不觉
...
机上乘客的手机全都没有使用，这个很怪啊。。
groovy26 发表于 2014-3-13 05:54 static/image/common/back.gif
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Chinese satel ...
好厉害的，我说一点个人看法。那么大个子的白色物体，如果不是飞机的话，我觉得该是飞艇、气球什么的。
至于后来怎么不见了，额。。。我不知道，但是我就知道一点，肯定是有人捞走的。
从时间上判断，跟坠机事件差不了太多。
具体怎么回事大概不会告诉我们了。