橡树村 发表于 2014-1-2 14:51 static/image/common/back.gif
如果你所在的学校的历史专业在国内也是前几名的话，和活跃的研究者多联系，他们往往有国际合作课题，国际联 ...
如果国内学校的这个专业很牛，可以拜在本校某学霸门下先读研，同时争取公费留学、联合培养之类的，最不济硕士毕业再出国，也积累了国内这个圈子的导师人脉，对于回国当老师好处多多。否则回国时两眼一抹黑，被学校忽悠的概率很大，不是任何学霸的嫡系，要争取发展的资源也很难。
像你这种冷门的专业，实话实说，我觉得就算经济景气之后，恐怕待遇也不会好。你当初为什么会选择这个专业？是父母选择的，还是自己爱好？如果是父母选择的，那你作为一个法律上已经成年的独立的个人，你需要花时间去好好想一下未来的路，不能盲目跟随父母的指示。你可以向你研究生的师兄师姐咨询一下他们的就业计划和未来的打算再做决定，现在你还有时间。我有两个从小玩到大的铁哥们，一个读的国内一流大学火灾与安全工程专业博士，一个读的985大学的新闻专业硕士，他们毕业找工作的时候并没有选择本专业，而是去了宝洁和平安。他们在读本科的时候就考虑好了自己未来的发展轨迹，然后通过选修相关专业课程和考证来改变自己的职业轨迹，所以他们是在为自己的未来奋斗。反面例子就是我自己，我读到博士第四年结束的时候都没有一个未来的规划，所以科研做得一塌糊涂，不知道现在该做什么，也不知道未来该做什么。后来跟导师长谈了一次之后，才明确了自己未来的规划，现在已经快毕业了。虽然我的专业是半导体器件与集成电路设计，是国内现在以及未来的热门之一，但我今年观察的就业形势来说，是非常糟糕的一年，而这种情况会持续多久，是很难预料的。你毕业之后还愿意从事这样的工作吗？我个人来说，如果你不是很热爱这个专业，大可不必就这样定下来，否则随着学历的提高，你的求职之路会越来越窄，直到自己发现无路可走。尤其是高校冷门专业的教师，日子是过得非常清苦的，因为高校现在的体制是一切向排名看，而排名是跟科研能力挂钩的，冷门专业在这个科研体系中基本上无法分到任何资源，只有2，3千的基本工资加课时补贴就是全部收入，我们学校有一位英语教师就为此自杀了。而且现在并不是海归就一定能留到高校的，像我们学校作为211中相对较好的学校，现在对高校教师的要求是，至少985+211，并且博士期间SCI三区以上论文发表数要大于3，才能上校长办公会的讨论名单，而最近这一年引进的青年教师除了一个北大国家重点实验室以外，清一色美国和欧洲第一流大学国际影响力较高的对口专业实验室出身才行。所以你真的觉得你这个专业能留在高校，并且能满足基本生存的需要吗？这个你要好好和你父母讨论一下。我对你的专业没有什么建议，因为网上三言两语无法了解，但是对未来的规划，生存一定是最重要的，不要想当然，一定要自己去深入观察了解你对未来所定位这个人群现在的生活状态，是不是满足自己的需求，如果不行，那就考虑改变自己的发展轨迹，不管是不是要出国，或者什么时候出国。如果是你自己喜爱这个专业，那你是否能安贫乐道呢？如果不能，还是以生存为第一要素。不管是女人还是男人，一个经济能够独立而不依附于其它任何人的个体才能得到人生最宝贵的东西——内心的自由。这个你现在应该还不明白，但是等你到了30多岁，你会明白的。我目前就想到这些，可能说得比较严重，希望你不要介意我言语上的冷酷。祝你早日找到属于自己的路！新年快乐！
本帖最后由 pengk 于 2014-1-3 09:09 编辑
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维京老海盗 发表于 2014-1-2 16:58 static/image/common/back.gif
像你这种冷门的专业，实话实说，我觉得就算经济景气之后，恐怕待遇也不会好。你当初为什么会选择这个专业？ ...
真的是自己选择的，我确实爱这个专业，要不当时也不会做这样的牺牲，只要经济能独立，不拖累父母，我愿意安贫乐道，谢谢您，我会仔细考虑的，顺祝新年快乐！
没钱的穷人就别走科研这条路了
不是光有理想就可以的
容安轩 发表于 2014-1-2 17:09 static/image/common/back.gif
真的是自己选择的，我确实爱这个专业，要不当时也不会做这样的牺牲，只要经济能独立，不拖累父母，我愿意 ...
最后说一句，妹妹你大胆的向前走{:189:}
说一千道一万，世事难料。出主意的人，包括我在内，基本上都是土埋到腰了，一般都是从现实的角度看问题。但现实的角度并不见得能带来现实的回报。更何况10年20年后，谁知道啊。
人生还有个有意思的地方就是，偶然性与机遇性，人生受这两条影响也很大。所以就更不好说了。
不同年龄段的人，对世界的看法完全不同，你这个年纪，还在上升期，有能力也有意愿为未知的结果付出，再过十几年，身体各方面条件都开始下降，就会尽量去避免风险。但是年轻人终归要担负起探索人类新的发展方式的任务，所以老家伙的意见未必就有价值。
人最重要的是为了自己活着，但坚持理想的代价通常远比想象中的多。理想主义者想要获得成功，除了有理想，还要有现实的态度，灵活的方式，强健的身体，坚强的意志，做到这些，不容易。
祝你好运！
容安轩 发表于 2014-1-2 17:09 static/image/common/back.gif
真的是自己选择的，我确实爱这个专业，要不当时也不会做这样的牺牲，只要经济能独立，不拖累父母，我愿意 ...
的确喜欢就坚持！以后有机会进高校的话，收入也不会很差，高校的基本收入不可能一直低的，虽然比工商业界肯定不如，但是也不会一直差。而且笔头子好稿费也会是不错的收入。发财的可能性基本没有，但是养活自己还是没问题的。
查一下所在学校在科研一线的研究人员，尽可能早的接触一些实际研究工作。这本身是一个比单纯上课好的多的训练过程，提前接触分析研究方法，也可以提前接触导师，建立人脉关系。
至于出国反而不着急决定。有好的机会比为了出国而出国要强。
大地窝铺 发表于 2014-1-2 10:38 static/image/common/back.gif
中学教历史连班主任都当不上吧？
这个还是能的，年级主任都能当上。美术老师都能当班主任。
容安轩 发表于 2014-1-2 11:08 static/image/common/back.gif
当年我也跟爹妈探讨过，因为家里觉得一个女孩，不用养家糊口，又是独生子女，经济压力不大，将来相夫教子 ...
那你现在最大的任务是找到让你轻松生活，相夫教子的老公哎。历史专业在欧洲恐怕很难拿到奖学金，你倒是可以打听一下，在国内读研，拿国内的奖学金出国读博。现在国内对冷门专业有不少奖学金，当然我知道的也基本都是理工科的。
容安轩 发表于 2014-1-2 17:09 static/image/common/back.gif
真的是自己选择的，我确实爱这个专业，要不当时也不会做这样的牺牲，只要经济能独立，不拖累父母，我愿意 ...
读世界史你想经济独立？
方恨少 发表于 2014-1-2 20:15 static/image/common/back.gif
那你现在最大的任务是找到让你轻松生活，相夫教子的老公哎。历史专业在欧洲恐怕很难拿到奖学金，你倒是可 ...
我找不到啊，要是有那样的经济适用男就好了，实在不行我就先留我们学校读研了
姑娘，我是过来人，你看看我就知道，这条路不可取
维京老海盗 发表于 2014-1-2 16:58 static/image/common/back.gif
像你这种冷门的专业，实话实说，我觉得就算经济景气之后，恐怕待遇也不会好。你当初为什么会选择这个专业？ ...
半导体器件与集成电路设计
同行啊{:205:}
我当年也是看到国家的集成电路太薄弱，需要大量的人才就选了这个专业，结果。。。青春全都消耗了，学校这方面教育水平相当一般，德国的就业机会也少。最后就业的时候干了个沾点边的工作。
本帖最后由 Dracula 于 2014-1-2 20:52 编辑
Some advice on pursuing humanities PhD in US
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/15/how-to-make-the-most-of-your-higher-education.html
I think a humanities PhD is a bad idea--not because I hate learning, or pointy-headed academics, but because if you enroll in a PhD program, one of the following four things is almost certain to happen: 1) you will drop out before you complete your dissertation.2) You will fail to land a tenure track job and eventually give up having spent 6-10 years of your life making yourself less employable than a newly minted college grad. 3) You will land a tenure track job and not get tenure.4) You will get tenure somewhere where you don't want to live, or somewhere far distant from anywhere that a current or future spouse could possibly find rewarding work.
The odds of actually ending up with a cool job in a good location are very, very, very small.No, this does not just happen to folks unlike yourself, who really arent' that smart; it happens to good people all the time.The professors who are suggesting otherwise are people have have won the lottery.Do not listen to them about the advisability of buying some tickets in the academic equivalent of the Powerball.
容安轩 发表于 2014-1-2 20:32 static/image/common/back.gif
我找不到啊，要是有那样的经济适用男就好了，实在不行我就先留我们学校读研了 ...
找个在专业领域能说的上话的老板，以后才能找到工作，到博士阶段可以申国家奖学金，出国交流2年。我认识在这边读博的想回国进高校的都跟国内的老板保持密切的联系，国外的经历和文凭都是锦上添花的，国内的人脉才是决定性的。
要不就先读研，你爸妈不都是老师么，让他们争取把你办进学校去当老师，再读在职的博士，国内女生做教师这个职业在婚姻市场上还是很吃香的，找个经济适用男没问题。
在国外读文史专业从头读到博士毕业指不定要多少年呢，等你读出来你都成了世界史的一部分了。而且西方历史观和政治观和国内还是有区别的，教授们心里都是明白的，但是不会允许你随心所欲的写的，你要是真心希望研究历史，还真有可能毕不了业呢。我认识一个学政治的，就他那个世界观，还想回国进高校，进政府呢，回去不被送进精神病院就不错了。
方恨少 发表于 2014-1-2 20:56 static/image/common/back.gif
找个在专业领域能说的上话的老板，以后才能找到工作，到博士阶段可以申国家奖学金，出国交流2年。我认识 ...
多谢多谢，这个真的很实用！！！！！真的是好办法！！！！！就是说先在国内读研，再找工作，申请出国交流呗
Another interesting article I read on humanities PhD degree
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2009/02/its_hard_out_there_for_a_philo
It's hard out there for a philosopher
Feb 18th 2009, 1:12 by The Economist | NEW YORK
WHILE submitting my dissertation (that’s the final step in the process), I had a brief conversation with another soon-to-be PhD depositing his paper. His degree was in French literature. Economists are generally discouraged from socialising with students in other disciplines (despite the tempation to associate with humanities students and the accompanying aura of intellectual coolness economists lack). So, it was one of the few occasions, in six years of graduate school, that I actually spoke to someone in the humanities.
I told the French student how much I admired him because he must possess an intense passion for his field. After all, he was willing to spend so much time and energy completing a degree that left him with such poor job prospects (studying economics robbed me of any tact or sensitivity). The French student gave me a dirty look and told me he honestly never thought about the whole job thing until he went on the market, but now he wished he had studied something more practical.
Most economists love their field, but I know few who would have put up with graduate school without a high probability of a high-paying job at the end. The economics job market normally has greater demand than supply (though perhaps not this year). My advisor once called it unconscionable that professors in the humanities produced so many students whom they had no hope of placing. Of course, economists must spend their graduate careers pondering concepts like opportunity cost and labour markets with excess supply, so it’s impossible to plead ignorance.
William Pannapacker, an English professor, believes the problem goes deeper than humanities students being short-sighted or uninformed. He thinks it’s an outright conspiracy. He claims less than half of doctorate holders ever find tenure track faculty positions, yet he suggests that successful undergraduate students are duped into believing academia offers better job prospects.
It's hard to tell young people that universities recognize that their idealism and energy — and lack of information — are an exploitable resource. For universities, the impact of graduate programs on the lives of those students is an acceptable externality, like dumping toxins into a river. If you cannot find a tenure-track position, your university will no longer court you; it will pretend you do not exist and will act as if your unemployability is entirely your fault. It will make you feel ashamed, and you will probably just disappear, convinced it's right rather than that the game was rigged from the beginning.
In the past Mr Pannapacker has likened graduate school to joining a cult. There is some truth to that, but most occupations have some cult-like qualities (try speaking to a lawyer). I certainly got my share of flack for leaving academia, mainly from the professors who invested their resources into training me to do research and were disappointed with their return. But some professors also come from a place of genuine concern. Many view life outside the ivory tower as tawdry, tedious, and intellectually vacuous. They probably think that being an adjunct professor for less than minimum wage is a better alternative. They don't know any different.
Nonetheless, it seems like a labour market failure—so many bright students spending their most productive years preparing for a degree they’ll never use. Mr Pannapacker found it hard to translate his skills to jobs other than teaching. He was also disheartened to find himself competing with people ten years younger than himself, fresh from university, for the same jobs.
Of course he went back to academia. A graduate degree, in any field, increases your human capital; it teaches critical thinking and an ability to communicate abstract ideas. Humanities students may have a rough time convincing employers outside of academia that their skills are marketable, particularly since many employers do not realise that being a graduate student does not even resemble their own undergraduate or MBA experience. I imagine the more tenacious humanities PhDs thrive in industry and do not regret their degree.
Mr Pannapacker reckons the recession will seduce many people into graduate school to avoid the poor job market. Even if they get a fellowship, the opportunity cost of a decade of graduate school may make that a poor economic decision. Further, he sees the recession permanently lowering the number of tenure track jobs. In ten years he predicts even more excess supply. It's interesting to think that one outcome of the current recession may be a deterioration in the labour market power of humanities professors.
容安轩 发表于 2014-1-2 21:03 static/image/common/back.gif
多谢多谢，这个真的很实用！！！！！真的是好办法！！！！！就是说先在国内读研，再找工作，申请出国交流 ...
我说的工作就是在高校当老师，可以申请国家的交流项目来国外交流，一般是一年。读博的话可以申请国家奖学金，可以是两年。总之就是，现在欧洲国家都穷的要死，没钱给教育，尤其是干花不挣的专业，要找钱反而国内希望更大。
姑娘，学历史这条路走不通。
流着泪的辛教授没有骗你。
可能是我们年纪太大了，
生存面前喜欢不喜欢的优先度是很低的。
容安轩 发表于 2014-1-2 17:09 static/image/common/back.gif
真的是自己选择的，我确实爱这个专业，要不当时也不会做这样的牺牲，只要经济能独立，不拖累父母，我愿意 ...
我很钦佩你这样为自己梦想而活着的人，真心祝福你，愿你一切顺利，万事如意！我可能年龄太大，已经过了奢谈梦想的年纪，过得越来越世俗和势利了。多有得罪，还请多多包含！