支持巴勒斯坦不能学欧美支持乌克兰那样

晨枫

exprade 发表于 2023-10-16 06:17
二战时，盟军怎么区分纳粹和德国人民，那现在就怎么区分以色列人民和锡安；胜利后，盟军怎么处置纳粹，那 ...

那是不是该学学左宗棠对付准格尔人的办法？

moletronic

晨枫 发表于 2023-10-16 09:47
那是不是该学学左宗棠对付准格尔人的办法？

你记错了，左宗棠的时候准格尔都成地理名词了。

晨枫

moletronic 发表于 2023-10-16 12:23
你记错了，左宗棠的时候准格尔都成地理名词了。

你说的对，我记错了，左宗棠“不留生俘，降了也杀”的不是准格尔人，而是阿古柏的手下。

龙驹坝

exprade 发表于 2023-10-16 20:17
二战时，盟军怎么区分纳粹和德国人民，那现在就怎么区分以色列人民和锡安；胜利后，盟军怎么处置纳粹，那 ...

好说不好做。纳粹还有个头叫希特勒。犹太复国主义的头是谁？组织在哪里？

landlord

晨枫 发表于 2023-10-15 20:21
你是说，哈马斯区分以色列与犹太复国主义实体？如何区分？any documented evidence of such intention？ ...

Hamas in 2017: The document in full
英文Wiki解读：In May 2017, Hamas unveiled a rewritten charter, in an attempt to moderate its image. It maintains the longstanding goal of an Islamist Palestinian state covering all of the area of today's Israel, West Bank, and Gaza Strip, and that the State of Israel is illegal and illegitimate. It now states that Hamas is anti-Zionist rather than anti-Jewish, but describes Zionism as part of a conspiratorial global plot, as the enemy of all Muslims, and a danger to international security, and blames the Zionists for the conflation of anti-Zionism and antisemitism. It rejects the Oslo Accords and affirms Hamas' commitment to the use of force.

中文Wiki解读：2017年5月1日，哈马斯发布了新的政治纲领，明确表示哈马斯接受“以1967年边界为基础建立独立的巴勒斯坦国”，文件中没有出现“消灭以色列”的表述，同时强调斗争目标是“犹太复国主义者”，而不是犹太人。

晨枫

landlord 发表于 2023-10-17 16:50
Hamas in 2017: The document in full
英文Wiki解读：In May 2017, Hamas unveiled a rewritten charter, ...

这一段涉及1967年线：

20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

好像和中文维基的解读有差别啊。

晨枫

晨枫 发表于 2023-10-17 19:28
这一段涉及1967年线：

20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromise ...

18. The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination.

19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, judaisation or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse.

还有这两段。

exprade

晨枫 发表于 2023-10-17 02:36
你说的对，我记错了，左宗棠“不留生俘，降了也杀”的不是准格尔人，而是阿古柏的手下。 ...

准噶尔和准格尔也不是一回事，一个是漠西蒙古一支，一个是漠南蒙古一支。
左宗棠的“不留生俘”这种两百年前的土老冒思想，犹太复国主义实体怎么会看得上眼，它有更先进的“累积威慑理论”：巴勒斯坦人民对以色列越恐惧，以色列就越安全。所以，以色列当局几十年来纵容军警残暴对待巴勒斯坦人并大肆宣传；每当遇到抵抗军抵抗，虽然一个抵抗军都抓不到，但每次都利用绝对空优把库存航弹倾泻到居民区制造恐怖；不断把巴勒斯坦人民赶进加沙隔离墙里面，并用无人机枪哨塔看守。无人的哦，特别先进，人畜靠近，格杀勿论，不带一丝丝怜悯。
但，2023年10月7日，加沙抵抗军成功越过隔离墙，成功袭击军事基地和定居点，杀了很多人，俘虏了很多人，“累积威慑理论”破产了。
这是一场加沙人民争取生存权利的战争。加沙抵抗军武器落后，毫无攻坚能力，进攻无异于自取灭亡，唯一的胜算就是诱敌深入，把IDF拉到加沙绞肉。而现在，抵抗军和加沙人民在加沙用天灵盖接航弹，就为了等待胜机的出现。而犹太复国主义实体居然连投降苟全性命的选项都不给加沙人民，那还有什么好说的呢。什么两国方案，那还太遥远了，哈马斯和加沙人民现在要做的只是：活下去。
70年前以色列人用战争赢得了生存权，那现在，加沙人民能不能赢得生存权，巴勒斯坦人民能不能赢得生存权，让子弹飞一会吧。