人在广州,卡在身边,被“盗刷”于河南卢氏县(一)
本帖最后由 短刀 于 2012-8-28 17:03 编辑8月27日,18点52分,我正在广州天河区开车回家,接到021XXXXXXX打来的电话,称自己的为信用卡部人员,问我有无在河南刷卡消费5000元。
本人回答:根本没有去过河南,卡在身边,没有丢失,并表明没有此笔消费,该人员要求我报卡的后七位数字,我因从未接过此电话来电,担心电话为钓鱼电话,该人员表示:可以致电热线。
放下电话,马上看到了5000元消费的短信提示,我立即拨打,于18点55分打通热钱,并由其转到后台中心,告知卡的后7位数,中心人员告知该卡已冻结,请我去附近的ATM机用该卡取款1000元。
我立即赶往最近的银行ATM机,按上述指示取款,失败,19点零4分打印出凭条。
立即再次致电银行热线,被告知:卡已冻结,让我填写声明书,将其与卡一并寄往XX信用卡中心,银行将为我更换新卡,并再次通过电话核实了新卡的寄送地址及电子邮箱。
回到家收到银行邮件,再次致电热钱咨询,转接后台无人接听,后接到XXXXXX打来的电话:
A、我是否需要挂失?
银行人员回应:卡已冻结,卡未遗失无需挂失。
B、被“盗刷”的5000元,如何处理?
银行人员回应:需要调查人员核实后告知。
C、我将声明书及卡寄至贵司后,只有在ATM机取款失败的证据,可以证明我在广州吗?
银行人员回应:我们发现可疑操作后,你已在短时间内在广州atm机上操作了,证明你在广州,这个不用担心。后期调查人员会尽快与你联系。
一时忙忘记了,又打热钱问:我是否需要向公安机关报案?如果需要是否应在48小时内报案?或者贵行在发现可疑操作并经我确认为“盗刷”后已向公安机关报案?
银行MM:后台下班了,会记录下来,明天回复我。
下一步准备工作:
一、该行承诺卡丢失被刷(不包括凭密码),挂失前48小时内可向银行申请补偿,5000元完全在该行的补偿范围之内。而我的卡没有丢失,应当不属于此项范围。
二、是否应当报案?我准备等明天上午银行电话,如果没有电话,我会主动打给银行并做好相关证据准备工作。
三、明天我会把已冻结的卡和申明书寄送给银行,复印留底后,要寄那种带回执的EMS。
四、据说有的银行是四步曲:冻结、拖延、催促还款、不还款就威胁上黑名单,所以步步小心,留存证据。
以下上午是发给银行的第一份邮件:
今天早上九点前,我已将申明书传真至贵行信用卡中心,稍后我将通过EMS将申明书等资料快递至贵中心材料接收窗口。
关于贵中心人员昨天提到的:让我将申明书及已冻结的旧卡一并寄往贵中心,贵中心将为我换发新卡。
鉴于贵行尚未就被“盗刷”的5000元给予明确说法,因此,在未得到贵中心明确答复无需我本人承担该笔“盗刷”之前,请暂不换发新卡,旧卡我将留存,以备将来解决纠纷时提交有权机关。
我将支付上期合法的账单,被“盗刷”的5000元,与本人无关。
在EMS中,我寄送的资料包括以下三份,请查收:
1、旧卡正、反面的复印件;
2、持卡人申明书原件;
3、8月27日19点04分X行广州分行X支行ATM机凭条复印件。
另外,关于是否需要本人报案,请贵中心于今天下午17点之前回复,或者贵中心已报案无需我本人去居住地公安机关报案?否则为避免不必要的争议,我将于今天下班后前往居住地公安机关报案;
请于下午17点前回复.
本帖最后由 短刀 于 2012-8-28 12:52 编辑
短刀 发表于 2012-8-28 12:45 static/image/common/back.gif
以下上午是发给银行的第一份邮件:
今天早上九点前,我已将申明书传真至贵行信用卡中心,稍后我将通过EMS将 ...
发出上封邮件后,我接到银行争议情况处理专员X女士来电,通话并留存证据后,我将双方电话交流内容发了邮件:
今天10点43分接到贵中心争议情况处理专员X小姐来电(且短信提示),就我提出的问题回答如下:
1、我这种情况无需自己前往居住地派出所报案,贵中心已咨询了我所在地的公安机关,称5000元不立案;本次也不属于挂失情况;
2、贵中心已向银联发起异议,且已收到我传真的申明书;
3、我可以先不寄旧卡,暂不办新卡;
4、贵中心将尽快调查,根据我的情况,应无须支付该笔5000元;下个月的旧卡账单日,不会显示该笔5000元款项。
以上进程请知悉,有任何进展请及时联系我。
短刀 发表于 2012-8-28 12:47 static/image/common/back.gif
发出上封邮件后,我接到银行争议情况处理专员X女士来电,通话并留存证据后,我将双方电话交流内容发了邮件:
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啊,真不愧是律师,让我学习了。 花似荼蘼 发表于 2012-8-28 16:49 static/image/common/back.gif
啊,真不愧是律师,让我学习了。
和强大无比的银行相比。。。差距太大,万分小心没有错{:206:} 继续关注事态发展,是不是以后用了IC银行卡,被盗刷的可能性就会降低呢? 短刀 发表于 2012-8-28 17:21 static/image/common/back.gif
和强大无比的银行相比。。。差距太大,万分小心没有错
关注下,律师真是做事有条不紊啊 pothos 发表于 2012-8-28 21:47 static/image/common/back.gif
继续关注事态发展,是不是以后用了IC银行卡,被盗刷的可能性就会降低呢? ...
据说是,但几年后,相信一样开始出现破解等。。 {:202:}{:206:} 我去年也有过类似经历。
以前自己在新浪博客的日志,贴到这里吧。
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今天早上收到信用卡公司来的电话。他们问我今天凌晨是否使用信用卡付了七百多美元的账,他们之所以问是因为他们发现我上一次使用信用卡是昨天中午在美国德州某家panda express付的账,而今天早晨这张信用卡却神奇地跑到了德国某地被用来付账,他们觉得虽然德州和德国只有一字之差,但事实上从德州飞到德国怎么着也得十几个小时,所以给我打电话来核实一下。
当时的我正在德州的家中,刚刷完牙,当然不可能出现在德国,于是很明显我的信用卡被盗用了。于是,他们果断地终止了我的信用卡,并礼貌地告诉我,他们马上会把新的卡寄到我的家中。
我早就听说信用卡是很容易被盗用的,一定要保管好,没想到这种事情竟然发生到自己头上。庆幸的是,这次盗用者是在远隔万里的国外使用,而自己最后一次使用自己的信用卡恰好在不长时间前,而最关键的是信用卡公司的同志真的很细心,竟然及时地发现并制止了盗窃犯的盗用行为的发生。
想来想去,自己信用卡信息的泄漏最有可能就是以前在网上购物,结果被那些无耻的黑客截获所致,否则断不会跑到德国去。因此这里提醒大家网上购物一定要多加小心。
下面这篇文章是我放狗搜来的,贴在这里给大家提个醒。原文为英文,大概意思总结如下:
网络购物安全小贴士
1。使用安全性好的个人电脑
避免使用那些被孩子们用来网聊或者玩网络游戏的家庭电脑。一定要更新防毒软件和操作系统。
2。仅仅在那些知名的,值得信赖的,自己熟悉的网站购物
很多网站的安全性并不好,特别要避免直接使用搜索引擎搜索来的不熟悉的购物网站,因为搜索引擎搜索来的购物网站一般比较随意。
购物后,一定要保留好每一张receipt和confirmation e-mail.
做好对购物网站的调查研究。
3。尽量使用信用卡
比较银行卡(debit card)来说,使用信用卡(credit card)有很多好处。比如,法律规定如果信用卡被盗用,用户仅仅有最多50美元的责任金,而且很多信用卡发行商连这50美元的责任金都免了。
永远不要使用money order!
4。使用替代方法
比如说,使用专门的Pay-Pal之类的付费网站
原发:http://www.aswetalk.org/wordpress/2011/01/13/be_careful_when_you_do_online_shopping/
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Five Tips for Safe Online Shopping
Protect Yourself From Internet Scams and ID Theft
By Brian Krebs
washingtonpost.com Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 21, 2007; 10:14 PM
If you’re one of the nearly 39 million consumers the National Retail Federation expects will do their holiday shopping online this year, then listen up! Use your street smarts in the virtual marketplace and follow these basic online shopping tips to protect yourself and to ensure that your money doesn’t become part of the $3.6 billion that merchants expect to lose this year to online fraud by spammers, scammers and shifty retailers.
Here are five tips for staying safe online this holiday season (and the rest of the year too):
1. Shop From a Secure PC
If possible, avoid using the family PC that your teens or children use to chat with their buddies and play games online. Those machines, especially if they’re a Microsoft Windows computer, are often already infested with spyware. An infected system will undermine all of the other precautions you might take to avoid online fraud.
Before you start shopping online, make sure your system is running with up-to-date anti-virus software, and that you’re using a firewall to block potential intruders. Just as important, be sure that your computer has the latest Microsoft software security updates installed.
2. Shop Smart, and Only at Sites You Know & Trust
Avoid search-engine shopping, which can often lead to random merchants you’ve never heard of. For the safest and most hassle-free online shopping experience, it’s best to stick with merchants you know and trust. Most importantly, make sure you have read and understand the merchant’s shipping and return policies before making any purchases.
If you’re worried that you’ll miss out on the discounts if you shop online, there are a number of well-established online coupon sites — such as couponcabin.com and currentcodes.com — that list different promotional codes that you can enter at participating Web merchants during checkout. Generally these discounts range from $5-off coupons, to 10-20 percent off of a certain purchase amount, to free shipping.
Be sure to print a copy of each receipt or confirmation e-mail you receive. Keep all of your receipts in a folder and filed away in a safe place.
Never buy anything advertised via unsolicited e-mail. Such offers are almost always a scam. Criminals even build attractive storefronts for fake businesses that close up shop within days of accepting your online order.
Research unfamiliar sellers. The Better Business Bureau and RipoffReport may offer insights on otherwise legitimate companies that have generated more than their fair share of consumer complaints.
3. Shop with Your Credit Card
Most online merchants accept both credit and debit cards. Under federal law, credit card issuers can only hold customers liable for the first $50 of fraudulent transactions, and most issuers will waive even that amount.
While debit card issuers have largely adopted that same approach, your bank account could be overdrawn while you dispute fraudulent charges, particularly if you don’t notice the fraud immediately. Experts say credit cards still present less potential for hassle when dealing with your financial institution should unauthorized charges show up later on a monthly statement.
“It’s still harder to get your money back from fraudulent transactions on a debit card unless the process is transacted in exactly the way the bank wants to be, and a lot of times consumers have no way of knowing whether a given purchase meets those requirements,” said Avivah Litan, a fraud analyst with research firm Gartner Inc.
Never, I repeat, never, shop at sites that ask you to wire your payment or send money orders.
4. Consider Alternative Payment Methods
For the truly fraud-wary online shopper, there are still plenty of alternatives to entering your account number at multiple Web sites. Many financial institutions and card issuers — including Bank of America, Citibank, Discover, and PayPal — offer customers the ability to generate unique, “virtual” or “one-time use” account numbers that are good for a single transaction or a handful of specified transactions only and cannot be reused.
While virtual account numbers may make shoppers feel safer online, they may be more hassle than they’re worth, Litan said. “These virtual numbers generally are there to protect more than the consumer, but they do give some online shoppers more peace of mind.”
Gartner’s recent studies show online shoppers are starting to turn to other alternative payment methods, such as pre-paid gift and credit cards, and services like billmelater.com. The latter allows online shoppers to shop online at some well-known retail outlets without ever having to enter a credit card number (the company requests your name, address, date of birth and the last four digits of your Social Security number to decide whether to grant you instant credit). A number of participating sites are offering perks for purchases made through billmelater.com, such as free shipping and deferred payment for up to six months.
5. Get a Handle on Spam
If you worry that giving away your e-mail address at multiple online merchants might wind up cluttering your inbox with more junk mail, consider creating a new address for each new Web site that requires you to enter one as part of the registration process. This allows you take action if a merchant you’re doing business with sells or rents your e-mail address to marketers.
You don’t really need to create a brand new e-mail address for each site: Some free Webmail providers — most notably Google’s Gmail — will allow you to create as many “aliases” for the same e-mail address as you want.
Here’s how it works. Let’s say your Gmail address is janedoe@gmail.com, and you’re being asked to enter an e-mail address at widgets.com as part of their online ordering process. Simply enter the name of the retailer as part your real e-mail address by using the “+” sign. In this case, you’d enter janedoe+widgets@gmail.com. That way, future communications from that retailer or any company that happens to share that particular marketing list will come addressed to janedoe+widgets@gmail.com.
Later on, if a particular online merchant generates a wave of junk e-mail offers, you can create e-mail filters to automatically send all e-mail addressed to the custom address you created to the virtual trash bin.
米国这边好像信用卡对用户是全免责的。。。就是被盗用的话,用户完全无责任,只有跟银行通知,新卡就会寄来,被盗用的金额也不用支付。。
我也被盗用过。。但是是银行在往家里寄的信用卡账单上通常都附有三张空白支票,希望吸引客户使用。。我的那份账单信被人家拿走了,然后就用空白支票去购物。。也没多少100多刀。。但是俺有查每一笔交易的习惯,所以发现后立即给银行打电话。换了卡,就这么了了。。。。 短刀 发表于 2012-8-28 12:47 static/image/common/back.gif
发出上封邮件后,我接到银行争议情况处理专员X女士来电,通话并留存证据后,我将双方电话交流内容发了邮件:
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事情有后续吗?结束了没有呢? 阿雷 发表于 2012-8-30 20:43 static/image/common/back.gif
事情有后续吗?结束了没有呢?
今天收到银行发来的短信:
您好!XX银行已收到您提供的:卡片复印件、声明书原件和ATM操作凭证,争议款项会尽快为您调整,烦请后续关注您的账单,如有问题请致电:XXXX 。
需要补充说明的是:我是用EMS发送的,注明了文件有几份,名称是什么。还特别嘱咐前台要求邮局拿回单,这样对方是否收到,如果收到是谁收到的、何时收到的均有证明。
目前看来,似乎问题不大,但要到九月底新一期账单出来时才能最终确认。
与大象打交道,小心是不过份的,再说,如果自己是律师,反而在这方面阴沟翻船的话,人就丢大了。 王不留 发表于 2012-8-29 01:55 static/image/common/back.gif
米国这边好像信用卡对用户是全免责的。。。就是被盗用的话,用户完全无责任,只有跟银行通知,新卡就会寄来 ...
国内的情况要复杂的多,一言难以说尽 短刀 发表于 2012-8-30 21:01 static/image/common/back.gif
今天收到银行发来的短信:
您好!XX银行已收到您提供的:卡片复印件、声明书原件和ATM操作凭证,争议款项会 ...
难道你开的是建设银行的信用卡?确实要非常小心,不然他坑你没商量。 阿雷 发表于 2012-8-30 21:03 static/image/common/back.gif
难道你开的是建设银行的信用卡?确实要非常小心,不然他坑你没商量。
今天中午,收到银行发来的短信:
尊敬的客户,您补发的信用卡以快递XXXX号寄出,请注意查收,如有问题请致电XX银行。
佩服啊,之前让我寄出旧卡,补发新的,因为对于5000元还没得到说法,我没有寄出旧卡,只寄了卡的正反面复印件,并声明:在事情得到解决之前,暂不办新卡。
昨天收到银行的信息(见本日志),今天就把新卡寄出了。
强大的营销能力,显然比有的银行强很多。 我想知道的是你的卡是如何被盗用的? 本帖最后由 短刀 于 2012-8-31 23:17 编辑
小剪子 发表于 2012-8-31 22:43 static/image/common/back.gif
我想知道的是你的卡是如何被盗用的?
银行监控发现的“可疑”操作,立即电话打过来,同时每一笔超过100元的消费都有短信提醒
至于被盗用的原因,说实话,我也不知。蚊子兄有过分析 经验啊,终于知道如何和大象打交道了 短刀 发表于 2012-8-31 22:54 static/image/common/back.gif
银行监控发现的“可疑”操作,立即电话打过来,同时每一笔超过100元的消费都有短信提醒
至于被盗用的原 ...
昨天下午收到银行快递过来的信用卡,俺决定暂时不用,等本月底账单出来了再说
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