印巴空战之邪恶版
本帖最后由 鳕鱼邪恶 于 2019-3-1 13:31 编辑前言：
网上数据，扑朔迷离，不知真假；俺这里仅仅假设一些数据，据此搞个空想文，博大家伙儿一乐，憋当真~
印军数据（假设）：
26日，出动幻影12架，预警机两架，加油机两架；预备出动苏30两架。
27日，出动米格21比斯一架。
巴军数据（假设）：
26日，出动枭龙2架。
27日，出动枭龙3架，预警机一架。
战况（假设）：
26日夜，印军出动幻影机群偷袭巴控克什米尔，巴军方警觉时印机群已经临近边界；巴方紧急起飞两架值班枭龙试图拦截，其实是要搞清楚印军是在恐吓还是来真的。。。枭龙在遭幻影越境锁定情况下紧急摆脱脱离，同时紧急向基地报警。。。巴军方在措手不及的情况下，紧急动用秘密从某邻居家搞到的杀手锏：启动新式雷达，放送干扰。。。印军预警机雷达上出现24架F16从巴方向幻影机群逼近。。。致使幻影机群紧急卸载，也就是胡乱把炸弹和副油箱丢下，撤了回去。
27日，巴军决定向印度显示“有能力有信心也敢动手”，轰炸印控克什米尔地面目标，起飞了3架枭龙。。。但是，在印军的预警机上，只看到俩架；这是因为，在印军打开应答器的情况下，其预警机的航迹航向高度可以实时被巴军接受到，如此一来巴军可以轻易地把一架枭龙藏在另一架的雷达阴影之中。。。这个难度比当年以色列用军机伪造民航机雷达影像简单容易多了。
在印军经过地面和预警机检测，确认巴军的“两架”枭龙发射了四枚对地弹药之后，印军“紧急”起飞了一架米格21比斯，“追击”枭龙。
这是枭龙的典型对地攻击时的挂弹方式。。。挂了炸弹就无法挂中距对空弹了。
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这是枭龙的典型空优作战挂弹方式。。。俩中距弹俩格斗弹。
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这是印度米格21的典型空战挂弹方式。。。两枚格斗弹
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印军的如意算盘是，“追击”巴军的两架回程中的枭龙，只要呆在枭龙的霹雳5射程之外（10~16公里），就没有危险；只要进入了巴境，就是宣传上的大胜。。。即使不幸被枭龙追击进入危险区，凭借10年经验的中队长驾驶“跳蚤一样灵活”的比斯21，能逃脱总是大概率事件。
然后不幸真的发生了！！！两架枭龙变成了三架，转身向印军扑来！最出人意料的是，还迎面打来了一枚霹雳12中距弹！！！
被俘的印军中队长。。。虽然黑，一脸的傲气还是遮不住的~
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你们千万别小看任何人吖~ 也别小看这被俘的黑厮吖~ 够胆子开一架老旧的二代机“追击”两架三代机的，不管是哪个种族的，还真的都不是孬种~这位十年经验的中队长，使尽浑身解数，一个高G动作连着一个高G动作，虽然终于摆脱了雷达制导的中距弹，然则枭龙也到了眼前了。。。依然头晕眼花一个黑视连着一个红视的中队长，即使开的是“跳蚤一样灵活”的米格21，终究还是被一个菜鸟击落了~
击落老鸟的菜鸟（中间）~
https://n.sinaimg.cn/mil/crawl/43/w550h293/20190228/Wnd--htptaqf5442282.jpg
OK，敲黑板，重点来了。。。
为何呆在安全距离外的米格被枭龙用格斗弹击落了？因为米格机被枭龙用中距弹攻击的时候，必须施展横向乾坤大挪移的动作。。。打开加力玩命的往回跑？在4马赫射程100公里的霹雳12面前，等于是把自己的屁股撅起来跪在地上等人来插。
那么什么叫乾坤大挪移？比如说，有人射你一箭或刺你一枪，你不会转身跑而是左右闪对不对？这个左右闪就是乾坤大挪移了，比如这样：
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飞机对付雷达制导的导弹也是同样招数。。。那么问题来了！！！ 看到没有？ 米格21被枭龙用中距弹施了个定身术！米格只能左右闪避不能往回跑了！！哈哈哈~ 那小妖哪里跑，俺枭龙来也~
所以，菜鸟击落了老鸟~完毕~ 三哥号称击落的F16是什么鬼名堂？ indy 发表于 2019-3-1 12:08
三哥号称击落的F16是什么鬼名堂？
宝莱坞的手法？ indy 发表于 2019-3-1 12:08
三哥号称击落的F16是什么鬼名堂？
这个俺也猜不透。。。只好忽略了~:P
拿出F16用的导弹的残骸证明击落了F16？ 这种脑回路俺也是理解不能。。。但是公平的讲，俺没有看三哥发的原本，也许冤枉了三哥也说不定。 如果不能有全面的制空权，那只能玩战术偷袭。
这也是隐身战机最大的价值。
如果突入，用中距弹打掉预警机，接下来就不是一个层面的对抗。 我记得好像飞机在战斗中，是有录像的吧？
其实巴基斯坦把录像拿出来，打下几架不就很清楚了么？ 秋天蚂蚁 发表于 2019-3-1 13:01
我记得好像飞机在战斗中，是有录像的吧？
其实巴基斯坦把录像拿出来，打下几架不就很清楚了么？ ...
是这样的。。。一场战争，或一场战斗结束之前，没有哪一方会把如何打下敌人的招数公之于众的，又不是打比赛，这是生死之争，不是公众分数之争。
印巴战争，小巴和前苏的空战，细节都是数年之后才公开的。。。然则技术细节依然不会。 鳕鱼邪恶 发表于 2019-3-1 12:22
这个俺也猜不透。。。只好忽略了~
拿出F16用的导弹的残骸证明击落了F16？ 这种脑回路俺也是理解不能。 ...
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腐败上刚看到
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Fact Check: Missile shown by Indian generals appears to be one sold to TaiwanBy Zeeshan Ahmad
Published: February 28, 2019
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Part of a missile India claims was launched a PAF F-16. SCEREN GRAB
KARACHI: As New Delhi presented what it claimed was ‘incontrovertible proof’ that Pakistan used its F-16 fighter jets in Wednesday’s air action, a fact-checking exercise by The Express Tribune revealed that the missile remains the Indian military found could belong to a missile sold by the US to Taiwan.India’s top military brass on Thursday displayed the remains of an American-made missile as ‘absolute proof’ that the Pakistan Air Force used F-16s in aerial operations conducted the day before. Claiming that the missile could only have been launched by an F-16, the Indian generals tried to strengthen their claims that the Indian Air Force also shot down a PAF F-16 while losing a MiG-21.Imran Khan wins praise over captured pilot’s release
The wreckage displayed by the Indian generals identified the missile as an AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM. Markings on the wreckage also identified the contract serial number of the missile as FA8675-05-C-0070.https://c.tribune.com.pk/2019/02/1-1551370699.jpgA Google search The Express Tribuneran using the keyword ‘AMRAAM’ along with the serial number in question returned links to a US Department of Defense (DoD) document titled “Report to Congress on Department Of Defense Sales of Significant Military Equipment to Foreign Entities Fiscal Year 2009”.https://c.tribune.com.pk/2019/02/2-1551370909.jpgThe report revealed that contract number FA867505C0070 corresponded to a batch of AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM missiles supplied to Taiwan in a Foreign Military Sale worth $2.38 million.It should be noted that Pakistan does not recognise Taiwan as a separate entity from the People’s Republic of China and as such, does not have any diplomatic or consular relations with Taiwan.How the wreckage of a missile sold to Taiwan ended up in the hands of an Indian military air vice marshal is something only New Delhi can explain.A version of the report can be found on the official website of the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment. It can be accessed via the following link:https://www.acq.osd.mil/dpap/cpic/cp/docs/USA002235-10_Complete%20Foreign%20Military%20Sales.pdf
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鳕鱼邪恶 发表于 2019-3-1 13:07
是这样的。。。一场战争，或一场战斗结束之前，没有哪一方会把如何打下敌人的招数公之于众的，又不是打比 ...
多谢解惑。
因为以前看空战纪录片，里面好多录像，所以想当然了。
秋天蚂蚁 发表于 2019-3-1 13:13
多谢解惑。
因为以前看空战纪录片，里面好多录像，所以想当然了。
录像肯定是有的，人家未必公开而已。 本帖最后由 鳕鱼邪恶 于 2019-3-1 23:11 编辑
indy 发表于 2019-3-1 13:12
腐败上刚看到
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1920385/1/?fbclid=IwAR0D0QqCYKrkyaGs927zR2yEMoWQpWLKb2E ...
我也见过这些说法，实话说俺不觉得能说明啥问题。。。俺记得卖给台湾的这些导弹是由美国“代为保管”在美国的基地的（不记得是关岛还是本土了），就是说收了湾湾的钱但不发货；这种事情只有湾湾这种凯子才干的出来。。。如果美国再拿去私下卖给别人，俺是一点都不会惊讶的。。。美国人“私卖”军火不是一两次了，一点不新鲜。而这些事儿在美国的官方网站上就查不出来了。 鳕鱼邪恶 发表于 2019-3-1 13:21
录像肯定是有的，人家未必公开而已。
凡事留一线，日后好相见，冲突矛盾激化对
克什米尔中印巴三方都不好。早早归还被俘飞行员，
罢兵息争最好，所以真相最好还是各说各话互不点破。 不觉得一个米格21（不确定是否有导弹逼近告警、雷达锁定告警、预警机互联数据链）敢做高激动摆脱导弹，甚至怀疑米格21能否知晓自己已被锁定并攻击 轰炸克什米尔可能用不到两个副油箱。机腹下面一个大的可能就够用。 是米格21bison 雨的节奏 发表于 2019-3-1 17:10
不觉得一个米格21（不确定是否有导弹逼近告警、雷达锁定告警、预警机互联数据链）敢做高激动摆脱导弹，甚至 ...
你得有个根据吧？ 印象中国产歼7改到G型号也没这些东西啊，能有个平显就不错了 雨的节奏 发表于 2019-3-1 20:50
印象中国产歼7改到G型号也没这些东西啊，能有个平显就不错了
高G 机动俺就不讲了，“像跳蚤一样灵活”这句话就说明一切了。。。况且摆脱锁定最主要的不是靠高G机动，是飞行员的经验。
至于这几种传感器，一不是高精尖二也不贵。一线部署的战机应该是标配的。 本帖最后由 鳕鱼邪恶 于 2019-3-1 23:55 编辑
猫元帅 发表于 2019-3-1 17:30
轰炸克什米尔可能用不到两个副油箱。机腹下面一个大的可能就够用。
用精确制导弹药的话机腹下要挂吊舱的吧？
最影响挂弹方案的其实是载重限制。。。枭龙的载重是3.5吨，这可能是包括内油的。一次能挂的弹很有限。毕竟属于轻型机。
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